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		<title>By: Brian Pucket</title>
		<link>http://laurelsnyder.com/2009/11/17/surrender-to-be-consumed/comment-page-1/#comment-2979</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Pucket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plus, another cool thing about being a mom is that it means you must have done it at least once.  And that&#039;s hot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, another cool thing about being a mom is that it means you must have done it at least once.  And that&#8217;s hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Katherine</title>
		<link>http://laurelsnyder.com/2009/11/17/surrender-to-be-consumed/comment-page-1/#comment-2975</link>
		<dc:creator>Katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurel, 

Arrived at your blog due to geographical proximity (I live down the street from the Ormewood School) and fact that we&#039;re both writers with young children south of 20... Diminishment, loss of self, tranformation... all things that somehow have found their way into my writing since motherhood (a state I too understood nothing of while younger).  What an interesting and thoughtful post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel, </p>
<p>Arrived at your blog due to geographical proximity (I live down the street from the Ormewood School) and fact that we&#8217;re both writers with young children south of 20&#8230; Diminishment, loss of self, tranformation&#8230; all things that somehow have found their way into my writing since motherhood (a state I too understood nothing of while younger).  What an interesting and thoughtful post.</p>
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		<title>By: laurel</title>
		<link>http://laurelsnyder.com/2009/11/17/surrender-to-be-consumed/comment-page-1/#comment-2940</link>
		<dc:creator>laurel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear everyone, thanks so much for your rseponses.

Dava, I want to say that I was, when we knew each other, unable to comprehend your life. For this very reason. My world was pretty two dimensional and selfish back then.  I&#039;m so glad you wrote in, and I have so much respect/admiration for you (the now you and the then you too).

I do think things are different for young mothers. My own mom didn&#039;t get to *do* enough on her own before having kids, and I think that changed the equation for her.  Her identity as a woman is now, in her middle years, changing her identity as a mom, and that&#039;s so awesome to see.  As she pursues travel, further education, new friendships, etc. 

I don&#039;t mean to say that I KNOW how this worls for everyone. I can only speak for myself. And even then, I can only speak for myself SO FAR.

You know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear everyone, thanks so much for your rseponses.</p>
<p>Dava, I want to say that I was, when we knew each other, unable to comprehend your life. For this very reason. My world was pretty two dimensional and selfish back then.  I&#8217;m so glad you wrote in, and I have so much respect/admiration for you (the now you and the then you too).</p>
<p>I do think things are different for young mothers. My own mom didn&#8217;t get to *do* enough on her own before having kids, and I think that changed the equation for her.  Her identity as a woman is now, in her middle years, changing her identity as a mom, and that&#8217;s so awesome to see.  As she pursues travel, further education, new friendships, etc. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to say that I KNOW how this worls for everyone. I can only speak for myself. And even then, I can only speak for myself SO FAR.</p>
<p>You know?</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Yingling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ms. Yingling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 10:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mother has always said &quot;Wouldn&#039;t sell you for a million; wouldn&#039;t buy you for a dime&quot;. I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only mother who wants to be a person ASIDE from having children. I adored your book, and having looked at your blog, I can see why. I will look forward to Penny Dreadful with GREAT interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mother has always said &#8220;Wouldn&#8217;t sell you for a million; wouldn&#8217;t buy you for a dime&#8221;. I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only mother who wants to be a person ASIDE from having children. I adored your book, and having looked at your blog, I can see why. I will look forward to Penny Dreadful with GREAT interest.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelli</title>
		<link>http://laurelsnyder.com/2009/11/17/surrender-to-be-consumed/comment-page-1/#comment-2936</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 20:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurel, 

Great response.  And very compassionate.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel, </p>
<p>Great response.  And very compassionate.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ilana</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this. Thanks, Laurel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this. Thanks, Laurel.</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry Clare</title>
		<link>http://laurelsnyder.com/2009/11/17/surrender-to-be-consumed/comment-page-1/#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Kerry Clare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Because it was too big a sacrifice to make without knowing what it would be like to actually have the kids, emotionally.  The kid-having-joy was a currency I didnâ€™t understand yet.&quot;

Yes, yes. It&#039;s a currency I still don&#039;t fully understand, as I spend my days these days covered in puke, my nights slept on or sucked on. But that I keep on with these days, and with relatively good humour, means that I&#039;m getting a sense of that currency. And the sense I get is that the whole thing is overwhelming and impossible to wrangle into articulate thought even in my own head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because it was too big a sacrifice to make without knowing what it would be like to actually have the kids, emotionally.  The kid-having-joy was a currency I didnâ€™t understand yet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, yes. It&#8217;s a currency I still don&#8217;t fully understand, as I spend my days these days covered in puke, my nights slept on or sucked on. But that I keep on with these days, and with relatively good humour, means that I&#8217;m getting a sense of that currency. And the sense I get is that the whole thing is overwhelming and impossible to wrangle into articulate thought even in my own head.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Laurel.  

And there&#039;s always a bed here (or several) for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Laurel.  </p>
<p>And there&#8217;s always a bed here (or several) for you.</p>
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		<title>By: dava</title>
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		<dc:creator>dava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurel,
Thank you for posting the link to that conversation.  It&#039;s been in my head since I read it, too. I&#039;m not exactly mulling, but it&#039;s just there, just below the surface, and when I slow down to reflect...there it is again. 

When you and I met, we were undergrads in Rick Jackson&#039;s poetry workshop.  I had a hard time relating to most of the people in that class, probably because of the issues raised here. I already had two kids, a husband, and a shack of my very own.  My priorities were different.  Since I had a child at 19 then again at 21, I wasn&#039;t grown up enough to consider the sacrifice and surrender parenting would entail. I just did what was necessary without thinking too much.  

The thing is, even though I know that having children has changed my perspective on oh so many things, it is almost impossible for me to identify myself as a mother first. This is not to say that for the last 17 years being a mother hasn&#039;t been my first priority--it has been. But it has been the first of many important priorities.

It bothers me that this conversation is necessary. It bothers me to think that fathers and non-fathers don&#039;t need to talk about the difference. It bothers me that I can&#039;t figure out how I feel about it. 

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though. It helps to know you&#039;ve had to stop and think hard, too. I feel somehow wrong for not knowing what I think about it. 
davalee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel,<br />
Thank you for posting the link to that conversation.  It&#8217;s been in my head since I read it, too. I&#8217;m not exactly mulling, but it&#8217;s just there, just below the surface, and when I slow down to reflect&#8230;there it is again. </p>
<p>When you and I met, we were undergrads in Rick Jackson&#8217;s poetry workshop.  I had a hard time relating to most of the people in that class, probably because of the issues raised here. I already had two kids, a husband, and a shack of my very own.  My priorities were different.  Since I had a child at 19 then again at 21, I wasn&#8217;t grown up enough to consider the sacrifice and surrender parenting would entail. I just did what was necessary without thinking too much.  </p>
<p>The thing is, even though I know that having children has changed my perspective on oh so many things, it is almost impossible for me to identify myself as a mother first. This is not to say that for the last 17 years being a mother hasn&#8217;t been my first priority&#8211;it has been. But it has been the first of many important priorities.</p>
<p>It bothers me that this conversation is necessary. It bothers me to think that fathers and non-fathers don&#8217;t need to talk about the difference. It bothers me that I can&#8217;t figure out how I feel about it. </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though. It helps to know you&#8217;ve had to stop and think hard, too. I feel somehow wrong for not knowing what I think about it.<br />
davalee</p>
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		<title>By: Julianna Baggott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julianna Baggott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 00:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurel -
A beautiful reflection. Hard-won.
Thank you for posting.
jb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurel -<br />
A beautiful reflection. Hard-won.<br />
Thank you for posting.<br />
jb</p>
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